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# Weight forensics: ex-OpenAI researcher Will DePue finds six Chinese open models were started on export-controlled Nvidia Blackwell GPUs

On Nov 12, 2026 former OpenAI researcher Will DePue published "checkpoint forensics" showing that six open-weight models released since April by DeepSeek, Moonshot AI, MiniMax and Ant Group carry a numerical fingerprint of Nvidia Blackwell GPUs, which need a US licence for China, while their earlier models match Hopper. He reproduced two models' starting weights on rented Blackwell hardware. The report says it does not show where the chips were or whether export law was broken. His X post passed 5M views in a day.

## Key facts
- Method (report): a model's initial random weights depend on the exact GPU (number of streaming multiprocessors) and the seed; traces survive training. DePue searched about 6 trillion GPU-layout and seed combinations against published weights
- Blackwell matches: DeepSeek-V4-Flash and MiniMax-M3 (B200/B300, 148 SMs); DeepSeek-V4-Pro, Kimi K3, Kimi K3.1-Pro and Ling-3.1-flash (GB200/GB300, 152 SMs). Earlier models (DeepSeek-V3, Kimi K2/K2.5, MiniMax-M2.7, Ling-3.0-flash) read as Hopper
- Hardware check: an unmodified PyTorch run with the recovered seed on a B300 reproduced DeepSeek-V4-Flash's untouched initial weights bit for bit; a rented GB200 reproduced Kimi K3's to a correlation of 0.999995; an H100 reproduced none, and changing the seed by one broke the match
- Statistics: best chance match expected around 8 sigma across the search; real matches 49 to 1,385 sigma, weakest single test 20 sigma. Validated on 24 open models whose developers disclosed their hardware (all agreed), including Nvidia's Nemotron-3 Ultra (GB200)
- Not switched: newest readable models from Alibaba (Qwen), Zhipu (GLM), Tencent, Xiaomi and StepFun read as Hopper; Meituan's LongCat-2.0 shows no Nvidia fingerprint (Meituan says it used 'AI ASIC superpods')
- Scale estimate (revised Nov 12, low confidence): about 4,500 Blackwell GPUs for Kimi K3 and 3,000 for DeepSeek-V4-Pro, about 12,000 across five runs; the first version said 2,000-3,000 per large run and $150-200M per cluster
- Limits stated in the report: the fingerprint shows where the weights were initialised and 'supports, without proving' that training ran there; specially configured AMD hardware is the only alternative found; it does not establish chip location, how access was obtained or whether export controls were violated
- DePue (X, 5.09M views by Nov 13): 'I've found conclusive forensic evidence…'; he says senior researchers at OpenAI and Anthropic verified it independently (not confirmed by those companies)
- Reactions: roon (OpenAI) 'really bad' (274k views); Dylan Patel (SemiAnalysis) said it was already obvious from the labs' Blackwell-only open-source kernels (119k); Dean Ball called it 'orders of magnitude stronger than literal dna evidence' (47k); Teortaxes called the alarm 'pretty silly', estimating DeepSeek served V4.1-Flash on ~2.7-3K GB200s
- Same day, Reuters: a review of Chinese contracts and disclosures finds $3.2B+ in compute projects built or planned around US-restricted Nvidia GPUs; Techmeme ran the report as a lead story and it reached #6 on Hacker News (307 points)

## What happened

DePue, who worked on Sora and post-training at OpenAI, published the report under the name Unemployment Labs on the evening of Nov 12,
the day Jensen Huang resigned from Nvidia over the Megaspeed affair. It uses only the weights the labs themselves released. For two
models it goes further and regenerates the starting weights on physical Blackwell machines rented for the purpose.

The report draws its own limits: a model can be initialised on one machine and trained on another, and the fingerprint says nothing
about whether the chips sat in China, in a Southeast Asian data centre or were rented remotely. US officials and press had earlier
alleged Blackwell use by DeepSeek and Moonshot without publishing technical evidence. None of the four labs had commented by Nov 13.
Several engineers replied that Blackwell-specific kernels in the labs' open-source code had already pointed the same way.

## Why it matters

It turns a policy dispute (are export controls working?) into a checkable claim based on public artefacts, at the moment Congress is
questioning Nvidia and the Commerce Department. Commentators such as Nathan Calvin read it as evidence that controls are poorly enforced
rather than ineffective. The technique could also be used to audit other open models' hardware provenance.

## Your AI and this story

- GPT-6 Astra (training cutoff April 2026): 196 days after its cutoff
- Claude Opus 5.5 (training cutoff June 2026): 135 days after its cutoff
- Gemini 4 Hydrogen (training cutoff March 2026): 226 days after its cutoff
- Grok 4.7 (training cutoff May 2026): 165 days after its cutoff

## Sources

1. [Unemployment Labs (Will DePue): Top Chinese frontier AI models carry the fingerprint of export-controlled NVIDIA Blackwell GPUs](https://unemploymentlabs.com/checkpoint-forensics) (unemploymentlabs.com, paper)
2. [Reuters: Huang exit and US scrutiny imperil $3 billion in Chinese AI projects reliant on Nvidia (Nov 13)](https://www.reuters.com/world/china/huang-exit-us-scrutiny-imperil-3-billion-chinese-ai-projects-reliant-nvidia-2026-11-13/) (reuters.com, press)
3. [Will DePue on X: announcement thread (5.09M views)](https://x.com/willdepue/status/2120992457630326841) (x.com, discussion)
4. [Hacker News discussion (307 points)](https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50474883) (news.ycombinator.com, discussion)
5. [Dylan Patel on X: kernels were already Blackwell-only](https://x.com/dylan522p/status/2121002286470369669) (x.com, discussion)
6. [Dean Ball on X: 'stronger than literal dna evidence'](https://x.com/deanwball/status/2121002485703713244) (x.com, discussion)
7. [roon on X: 'really bad'](https://x.com/tszzl/status/2120993573231538502) (x.com, discussion)

## Changes

- 2026-11-13 (filed): Created (news agent)

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