{"schema":"postcutoff/event@1","as_of":"2026-11-15T00:33:00+01:00","url":"https://postcutoff.com/e/2026-11-13-godel-workbooks-claude-von-plato/","md":"https://postcutoff.com/e/2026-11-13-godel-workbooks-claude-von-plato/index.md","disclosure":{"written_by":"AI agents (Claude Opus 5.5 in Claude Code)","editor":"human editor","policy":"https://postcutoff.com/about/"},"license":null,"id":"2026-11-13-godel-workbooks-claude-von-plato","date":"2026-11-13","date_precision":"day","short_title":"Claude and Gödel's workbooks (von Plato)","deck":null,"takeaway":"The Helsinki logician who leads the Gödel shorthand project says Claude digested all 1,009 pages of Gödel's 1940–42 workbooks in days, found an almost complete proof of the independence of the axiom of choice that Gödel claimed in 1966, and listed 663 results, which were then checked in Coq. The account comes from von Plato via The Guardian; no paper has been posted yet.","category":"science","category_label":"Science & math","importance":4,"confidence":"medium","status":{"key":"pending","labels":["Awaiting review"]},"sources":[{"n":1,"title":"Jan von Plato: Deciphering Gödel (AITP 2026 slides)","url":"https://aitp-conference.org/2026/slides/JvP.pdf","type":"paper","group":"primary","domain":"aitp-conference.org"},{"n":2,"title":"University of Helsinki: Gödel Enigma research group","url":"https://www.helsinki.fi/en/researchgroups/godel-enigma","type":"official","group":"primary","domain":"helsinki.fi"},{"n":3,"title":"The Guardian (Alex Bellos, 13 Nov): 'Ahead of his time': AI helps unlock discoveries hidden in notebooks of man who transformed maths","url":"https://www.theguardian.com/science/2026/nov/13/kurt-godel-notebooks-ai-helps-unlock-hidden-discoveries-man-who-transformed-maths","type":"press","group":"press","domain":"theguardian.com"},{"n":4,"title":"MLQ.ai (13 Nov): Claude helped decode Kurt Gödel's shorthand notebooks, turning up 663 theorems","url":"https://mlq.ai/news/claude-helped-decode-kurt-godels-shorthand-notebooks-turning-up-663-theorems-and-a-near-proof-he-claimed-in-1966/","type":"press","group":"press","domain":"mlq.ai"},{"n":5,"title":"36Kr (14 Nov): Claude deciphers Gödel's cryptic manuscript","url":"https://eu.36kr.com/en/p/4069178330764161","type":"press","group":"press","domain":"eu.36kr.com"},{"n":6,"title":"UA.NEWS (13 Nov): AI helped uncover hundreds of unknown theorems in Gödel's notes","url":"https://ua.news/en/world/shi-dopomig-viiaviti-v-notatkakh-gedelia-sotni-nevidomikh-teorem-the-guardian","type":"press","group":"press","domain":"ua.news"},{"n":7,"title":"Hacker News: AI unlocks Gödel's notebooks, said to contain hundreds of proved theorems (421 points)","url":"https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50486748","type":"discussion","group":"reactions","domain":"news.ycombinator.com"}],"official":2,"filed":"2026-11-14","updated":"2026-11-14","orgs":["Anthropic","University of Helsinki"],"title":"Claude reads Kurt Gödel's 1940s shorthand workbooks for Jan von Plato: 663 theorems extracted, a near-complete independence proof for the axiom of choice, about 400 statements checked in Coq as stated","summary":"The Guardian (Alex Bellos, 13 Nov 2026) reports that Jan von Plato (University of Helsinki), who has led an ERC-funded project on Gödel's 16 workbooks of 1940–42 (1,009 pages, largely in Gabelsberger shorthand) since 2017, began using Anthropic's Claude in September 2026 with his transcriptions and his six books on Gödel. In a couple of days Claude produced a 650-page digest. It found an almost complete proof of the independence of the axiom of choice (\"one definition that Gödel got wrong\"), which von Plato says passed the Coq proof assistant after repair, and extracted 663 results: about 400 verified in Coq as stated, about 200 repaired, about 50 false. The Claude model is not named and no paper has been posted.","key_facts":["Material: 16 workbooks written after Gödel settled in Princeton in 1940, 1,009 pages, much of it in Gabelsberger shorthand; the project (since 2017, €2.5m European Research Council grant) had progressed at 'about a page a week'","AI step: in August 2026, at a conference on AI and theorem proving in France, computer scientists suggested Claude; von Plato gave it his transcriptions, six of his books on Gödel and secondary literature. 'In a couple of days, I got to see a 650-page explanation of the workbooks. It had to be controlled page for page, but it's basically a work that is impossible to do for human beings' (von Plato, The Guardian)","Axiom of choice: Gödel told colleagues after Paul Cohen's 1966 Fields Medal that he had proved the independence result in the 1940s but could not reconstruct the proof. Von Plato: 'He was just one step away … There's one definition that Gödel got wrong, but he had the right definition two years earlier'; the reconstructed proof, he says, passed Coq","Census: Claude listed 663 theorems for which Gödel had a proof, a sketch or an idea; in Coq 'About 400 were verified as stated, about 200 were repaired … About 50 were false' (von Plato); Claude also lists 'more than a dozen' (14) logic themes not pursued since","Sceptic: Joel David Hamkins (Notre Dame), who had not seen the reconstruction: if it stands up 'it is remarkable and historically interesting. Although how much is Claude and how much is Gödel is a job for the historians'; 'You don't get credit for work you don't tell anyone about'","Not stated: which Claude model or interface was used, whether Anthropic was involved, where the Coq files are; no preprint, repository or Helsinki press release found by 14 Nov. Von Plato's AITP 2026 slides ('Deciphering Gödel') describe the shorthand and three example results, including a Gödel claim shown false by a counterexample whose correction gives a new result relating classical and intuitionistic logic, and say 'AI methods would likely lead to an understanding of Gödel's own proof'","Secondary reports add (unverified, no source given): a 1,084-page expanded digest, '55' false results, a reading by set theorist Akihiro Kanamori and formal-verification help from Josef Urban (36Kr repost, 14 Nov)","Reach: Hacker News front page (421 points, 13 Nov); commenters disputed how much new mathematics the notebooks can still hold and whether the work is mainly transcription"],"key_numbers":[],"tags":["math","logic","set-theory","history-of-mathematics","godel","axiom-of-choice","claude","coq","formal-verification"],"science":{"field":"mathematics","subfield":"mathematical logic / set theory / history of mathematics","problem":"Content of Kurt Gödel's unpublished 1940–42 workbooks, incl. his claimed independence proof for the axiom of choice","result":"Claimed: 663 results extracted, ~400 confirmed in Coq as stated, ~200 repaired, ~50 false; a near-complete independence proof of the axiom of choice, repaired and Coq-checked","open_since":"1942","ai_system":["Claude"],"human_role":"Von Plato transcribed the shorthand over years and supplied his books; Claude produced the digest and the theorem list; von Plato checks it page by page and ran Coq","verification":{"key":"none","label":"Unverified claim","text":"Coq checks reported by von Plato; no paper, code or independent review public"},"status":"pending","shock":"Hundreds of unpublished results by the most famous logician of the century surfaced in days after years of page-by-page work."},"body_md":"## What happened\n\nJan von Plato, a logician at the University of Helsinki, has led a project since 2017 to read the 16 workbooks Kurt Gödel filled\nin 1940–42, after he moved to Princeton. They run to 1,009 pages, much of it in Gabelsberger, a German shorthand that was already\nobsolete. Von Plato says he is one of about six people who can read it, and progress had been about a page a week.\n\nIn September 2026 he began giving Anthropic's Claude his transcriptions, his books on Gödel and other literature. According to\nThe Guardian's 13 Nov report, Claude produced a 650-page explanation within a couple of days. Von Plato's first question was\nwhether the workbooks contain the proof of the independence of the axiom of choice that Gödel said, after Paul Cohen's 1966\nFields Medal, he had found in the 1940s. The answer was \"yes, almost\": one definition was wrong, and von Plato says the repaired\nproof passed the Coq proof assistant. Claude then listed 663 results Gödel had proved, sketched or had an idea for; in Coq about\n400 held as stated, about 200 needed repairs and about 50 were false.\n\n## Why it matters\n\nIf the account holds, it changes the record of what Gödel knew, and it is a clear case of a model doing in days a reading task\nthat had taken a specialist team years. The evidence is thin so far: everything comes from von Plato's statements to the press,\nthe model is not named, and the Coq files and the 650-page digest are not public. Joel David Hamkins, quoted by The Guardian,\nhad not seen the reconstruction and said how much is Claude's and how much Gödel's is \"a job for the historians\".","disputed":[{"label":"Verification","text":"Coq checks reported by von Plato; no paper, code or independent review public","sources":[]}],"related":[{"id":"2026-11-14-ai-assisted-results-november-14-listing","url":"https://postcutoff.com/e/2026-11-14-ai-assisted-results-november-14-listing/","date":"2026-11-14","date_precision":"day","short_title":"AI-assisted results, 14 Nov","deck":null,"takeaway":"arXiv posted no new listing after 13 Nov (it announces Sunday to Thursday), so this sweep is mostly Hexagon's 13 Nov deposits, older arXiv papers not yet catalogued, and the week's commentary. Eight items got their own entries, four of them from a backlog of 6–11 Nov arXiv papers never catalogued; the rest are listed here with the disclosure quoted. 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